I don’t pretend to know if there’s a God or not. That’s why I don’t kill, I don’t kicked puppies and I still capitalize his name just in case. I don’t know if he’s there, but if he is, I’m sure he could righteously kick my ass. That’s why I don’t envy this poor schmuck.
BUCHAREST, Romania (IOL) — A Romanian man who sued God for “fraud” and “betrayal of trust” for failing to answer his prayers has had his case dismissed in court, a newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Mircea Pavel, 40, who is serving 20 years in prison for murder, brought charges against “the defendant God, who lives in the heavens and is represented in Romania by the Orthodox Church,” the daily Evenimentul Zilei reported.
He accused God of “fraud, betrayal of trust, corruption and influence peddling.”
He sued God for his troubles. How did he ever get a lawyer to take on that case? Hmmm…
(insert harp flashback music here)
PLANTIFF: Hello there, Mr. Lawyer. I’d like to file a lawsuit against God.
LAWYER: Well, that sounds like a challenge. Why do you want to sue God?
PLANTIFF: Well, I’m in jail for murder and he failed to answer my prayers even after I was christened as a child and have followed his word devoutly all my life, so I think I’m due something.
LAWYER: That sounds perfectly reasonable. I’ll take it. (LAWYER snorts a long line of cocaine)
73 responses so far ↓
1 jo // Jul 31, 2007 at 1:51 pm
fuckin moron!
2 Pubudu // Aug 22, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Actually, if the church claims to be responsible, the bible is claimed as the word of god (by the church) people should be able to sue the church (hence by proxy god) for whatever reason. For example making fraudulent statements and claiming them as fact, i.e. the bible
3 vash // Aug 24, 2007 at 3:03 pm
The Bible is true, (cept that guy didn’t reasd the part where it says “God doesn’t answer the prayers of the wicked.”
4 donnie harrison // Oct 18, 2007 at 10:58 pm
What about helping those who help themselves I think he wants God to do all the work.
5 Pubudu // Oct 19, 2007 at 3:47 am
The Bible cannot be true, and therefore God should be sued for lying and misrepresentation!
6 Servant // Feb 29, 2008 at 11:05 am
Pubudu, can you actually prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the Bible is not true. Honestly, I have seen much more proof to support the Bible as the Word of God than the contrary. In fact, when some have tried to disprove God’s Word, I have seen them proven wrong.
7 Pubudu // Mar 1, 2008 at 6:21 am
Okay, the bible says that God is omnipotent, i.e. he can do anything and everything. If he can do anything can he create a rock he cannot lift? When you said prove, you let in the use of logic, and there it is, it is logically not possible for an omnipotent being to exist. And you can’t say “logic cannot be used” because you said prove, meaning logic can be used.
8 Servant // Mar 3, 2008 at 11:09 am
That is a very weak argument, Pubudu. In fact, that is not “logic” at all. I am all for logic and I believe that logic not only doesn’t contradict God, but it actually supports it. I would point you here:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/billramey/omni.htm
and here:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/rock.html
For a better understanding of logic and the fallacy of the argument you state.
9 Pubudu // Mar 6, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Ok then, answer the question that I asked!
10 Pubudu // Mar 6, 2008 at 10:15 pm
O……k I looked at the sites you pointed me to… it appears that neither you nor they understand the logic behind the argument. In fact there seems to be a general lack of understanding as to what pertains logic in the first place. What the above argument points out is the fallacy of infinites. It is a much explored area in mathematics if you care to look up a text book or anything of that sort. But the basis of the counter – argument is that faliure is not part of omnipotence. That wasn’t the point of the above argument, what the above argument shows is a omnipotence leads to a logical paradox. The second link wholly fails to grasp this concept, and doesnt seem to understand the point of logic!
11 Pubudu // Mar 6, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Reading further, they suggest that the infinitely heavy rock is the paradox, but its not, it is the omnipotence that is the paradox, that is the key point that all your so called “logical” counter arguments miss!
12 Servant // Mar 10, 2008 at 9:46 am
Basically, it is correct that God cannot contradict himself, but that is not a set of things God can’t do, it is the set of all things that are nothing. Put another way, if we can agree that Z is an all powerful being, then I tell you Z cannot do X, what does that tell you about X? Well, it must be nothing, otherwise Z could do it. It boils down to the tautology ‘things that are self contradicting are self contradicting’, or ‘if God contradicted Himself, He would contradict Himself.’ Does that mean God doesn’t exist? No, it means He can’t contradict Himself. Does that mean He’s not all powerful? No, it merely delineates those things that are meaningful from those which are not.
Incidentally, there is another set of things that God could theoretically do if one considered His power alone, but will not do according to His Word – things like change His character, become flawed, etc. Those aren’t meaningless notions but they are self imposed limits to His power if one wishes to consider them such.
CS Lewis put it a lot more convincingly (I believe He makes this case that this is a demonstration of the limits of language).
http://www.geocities.com/xonearthasitisinheavenx/Godandtherock.html
13 Pubudu // Mar 10, 2008 at 8:16 pm
No, again you miss the point. It doesnt boil down to that tautology. That tautology arises in this case because of applying a formal logical framework to something that is all powerful. The only argument that can be made is that such a framework cannot be applied to God, as fine as that is, if that’s the case it can never be proven that an all powerful God exists. That’s all that is. It doesnt prove that there is no god, all it shows is that an all powerful god is logically incompatible. That’s what it means, hence the reason for the tautology. The argument doesnt “boil down” to it.
14 Christi // Mar 12, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Why can’t you people just let others have their own beliefs. Just because you do or do not believe in God does not mean that you should try to force others to follow your belief. There are many different beliefs and none are wrong as long as the life you lead is a good one. I personally believe in a Goddess … but would never try to force my beliefs onto others. This country was founded on “freedom of religion” that means that we have the freedom to believe whatever we want to, without self righteous people trying to force their beliefs on us. You cannot either prove nor disprove the existence of God or any other diety. There to no way to do that so you should stop arguing and let everyone have their own beliefs. Try a little tolerance.
15 Pubudu // Mar 14, 2008 at 8:14 pm
?!? I’m not forcing my beliefs on anyone, I was just stating that the bible cannot be true, and someone asked me to prove that god cannot exist, and I was having an argument with her/him. And that I am allowed to say, you might have heard of a little thing called “Freedom of speech”. How am I self righteous? I was just presenting a logical arguement against the existence of a biblical all powerful God, because I was asked to. Are you blind? or just prone to making blind accusations? And I dont try tolerance I try acceptance and understanding, I dont merely tolerate someone who is different, I accept them and try to understand them, perhaps you should try that!
16 ronilb // Mar 27, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Pubudu i think u need a hug! back off a little people come to this webite for a laugh not to be berated or to get in arguments over their beliefs… hit the next button and have a good laugh…….geez
17 ronilb // Mar 27, 2008 at 1:17 pm
LOL
18 Pubudu // Mar 27, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Berated? Look I was responding to some illogical crap left here by someone, then to Christi for making non sensical comments, yes this site is a laugh, but one should not use that as a reason not to respond to idiotic comments (as per Christi)
19 Becca :) // Mar 28, 2008 at 9:15 am
I love God
He rocks.
20 Becca :) // Mar 28, 2008 at 9:16 am
I love God
21 Pubudu // Mar 28, 2008 at 9:17 am
Fair enough, I also love imaginary beings just like you!
22 ronilb // Mar 31, 2008 at 11:36 am
are you sure you know the meaning of laugh…expression of amusement..as in fun LAUGH!!!! stop talking and trying to defend yourself….Laugh…just watching you freak out makes me laugh, so thanks
23 Pubudu // Mar 31, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I’m freaking out am I? for someone who asks me if I know the meaning of laugh, you seem to not know the meaning of much at all. Stop stirring, and follow your own advice, do us all a service and stop talking!
24 ronilb // Apr 1, 2008 at 7:21 am
ouch…i give up…you apparently don’t know how to enjoy this website…so how bout this…… why don’t sue the website for allowing dumb people like us make comments!
25 Pubudu // Apr 1, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Well at least you got the part about you being dumb right… HAHAHA see I know how to laugh!
26 ronilb // Apr 2, 2008 at 7:03 am
YOU ARE A MISERABLE PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!SCREW YOU
27 Pubudu // Apr 2, 2008 at 7:07 am
HAHA, oh no someone is getting “freaked out” I think, hahaha man you are right, this website is hilarious… hahahah so are you gonna follow your own advice about dumb people? (seeing as you are one)… oh and on the offer to screw me, NO THANKS hahahahahahahha…
28 ronilb // Apr 2, 2008 at 8:50 am
i go back to my old advice hit the next button, i am not freaking out and i am not dumb the only dumb part is i’ve actually wasted time having any discussion with you…you waste of human flesh..have a great freaking day
29 Pubudu // Apr 2, 2008 at 8:53 am
oh no! name calling! way not to freak out man(or woman) hahahahahah… bwahahahahahahaha , and ur the one who said that you were dumb man… ah ha hah a, you ARE funny (but im laughing at you). Calm down man, it’ll be ok!
30 ronilb // Apr 2, 2008 at 11:49 am
in the words of dane cook i hope your reincarnated back in the form of the tree and they cut you down pound you into paper and make a copy of the bible on you…the believers ultimate revenge…loser
31 Pubudu // Apr 3, 2008 at 1:05 am
hahahah, man you really ARE funny, if the bible is true there is no reincarnation! HAHAHHA way to contradict yourself … I think you have gotten so worked up that you cannot write sensible things anymore…. like I said, stop freaking out man, calm down! HAHAHAHAH … man!
32 ronilb // Apr 3, 2008 at 5:28 am
woman…you moron…and i dont believe in reincarnation…some atheist said that we all become one with the planet and help fertilize the earth and trees…whatever…i know exactly what the bible says i wasnt quoting the bible i was quoting a comedian if you could read you would see i was not contradicting myself…u seem like you would be sooooo funny to hang out with…..i only pray i never have to meet you in person!!
33 Pubudu // Apr 3, 2008 at 7:49 am
Haha, regardless an irrelevant and stupid comment then isnt it? I know its a comedian’s line, but by quoting it you essentially wanted to put it out there. It had nothing to do with anything, but your own stupidity stopped you from realising that while it might appear clever, in fact it isnt clever at all! By even bringing it up (for whatever reason) you are contradicting yourself! and “man” was used as a generic term there as one cannot guess gender over the net. I think perhaps in this case the name you called “moron” aptly describes you!
34 ronilb // Apr 3, 2008 at 9:11 am
thats wonderful mr personality…get a life…your logic and arguments just prove how ignorant you are to the more important things…have a great life!
35 Pubudu // Apr 3, 2008 at 4:13 pm
hahah, you made another joke! You are talking to me about logic?! It is clear to me that you dont have an inkling of logic in your comments, and if YOU werent so ignorant perhaps you would realise that. It seems to me that you are getting annoyed, and letting your emotions take over, its ok! HAHAHAHA… you were so right about how funny this website is! aaah good times! (oh btw still laughing AT you)
36 ronilb // Apr 5, 2008 at 2:02 pm
yeah, yeah…whatever…
37 Pubudu // Apr 5, 2008 at 9:16 pm
oh the poor little woman has no comeback!
38 ronilb // Apr 7, 2008 at 8:38 am
i have plenty to say i just know that i would be wasting my breath on a close-minded individual such as yourself… i have been studying the bible for 22 years…and its going to take more than a couple stupid comments from you to change my mind, as i know i cant convince you of anything because you think you know everything already…
39 Pubudu // Apr 7, 2008 at 5:11 pm
So studying some work of fiction for 22 years doesnt mean its right. It means you are too stupid to realize its a work of fiction! haha ha ha ha… Also for some bible lover, you seem extremely bitter and angry. I mean look at some of the things you’ve said. It must hurt to see your imaginary friends being found out! Also, I KNOW i dont know everything, only idiotic bible lovers profess such extremities of knowledge! You really are very very stupid arent you? Or are you simply blind to reality?
40 ronilb // Apr 8, 2008 at 6:44 am
IT MUST BE BORING TO BELIEVE IN NOTHING!!!!! I’M ONLY ANGRY WHEN I ENCOUNTER SUCH BLATANT DISRESPECT FOR THE THINGS I LOVE AND BELIEVE IN…IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER ME BLIND TO REALITY FINE WITH ME…YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT LOOKED CLOSE ENOUGH AT THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE…BUT AGAIN WHATEVER! YOUR PROBABLY SOME 20 YR OLD KNOW IT ALL JUMPING ON THE LATEST BAND WAGON OF NON BELIEVERS…
41 Pubudu // Apr 8, 2008 at 6:54 am
Oh no! Someone’s caps lock seems to be broken! As I clearly said I do not claim to know it all! Yes I am 20 something years old, but I am a physicist and I consider all facts and ideas critically, which is what has led me to this current stance. I was brought up in a religious environment, but was able to critically look at it and make a logical deduction. I’m not jumping on any band-wagon, and I dont need belief in myth to keep my life interesting! Everyday I discover with my colleagues the beauty of the universe, and that certainly is not boring! It must be boring for you to look no further than your nose. You seem so angry … how christian of you!
42 ronilb // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:26 am
oh whatever…i have 2 friends who have degrees and have worked in the science field for many yrs and they say the more they study the universe the more they believe…i don’t believe in a myth to keep my life interesting i believe something i have studied and researched extensively…i am not the type to jump in or believe something blindly… and the more i study the more i believe and the happier i am… but you are right about ONE THING!! some (well alot) of my comments were uncalled for and i apologize…but as far as this argument goes it is useless and a waste of time…the funny thing i started out trying to make you laugh vcj and it turned in to this ridiculous argument…we’re judging each other and dont even know each other so i withdraw im done…
43 Pubudu // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:52 am
Yeah, but you probably hang out with idiots so its ok. And I meant it your anger is very christian, it has been a habit of theirs to blind maim murder and torture people who dont agree with their world view so its fine … really no need to apologize you are just being truthful to your religion! I’m not judging you, just laughing at you, its not the same thing! And as for your friends, well good for them, but that doesnt change the fact they, like you are believing in a myth. I dont know why you do it, perhaps no one sees the elegance of disordered order.
44 ronilb // Apr 14, 2008 at 7:54 am
whatever genius
45 Pubudu // Apr 15, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Ahhh typical response from an ignorant person. Well done, you have proven exactly how stupid you are!
46 ronilb // Apr 16, 2008 at 2:15 pm
and i repeat whatever genius
47 anonymousatheis // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:16 am
after reading all of that all i can really say is wow, but i concur with Pubudu, the book is not true, for the sole reason that it was written by men, like all other books, and man has always had a very active imagination, man will always find a “explantion” for things it can not truely explain, so man created a all powerful being that created us, so all in all we created the being that created us, that would basicly make us god.
48 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Wow!!! Anyone hurt in that discussion? I guess just me because I got paper cuts on my fingers paging through the dictionary looking up the words being used. Enjoyed the go round though. However just a thought…About the suit. He sued God. How can someone sue a characture of a book. Man wrote about him. Christ did not write it. By the way…Don’t bother reading the bible because the hero in the book gets killed half way through it. Also, I don’t know about reincarnation but if it does happen I want to come back as a girls bicycle seat. Have a great day all.
49 Pubudu // Apr 26, 2008 at 7:54 pm
A bicycle seat .. heh, and anonymousatheis, that’s probably the best way to put it!
50 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:06 pm
and anony…….Oh hell back to the dictionary. Can I sue you for cut finger tips???
51 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Pubudu, what threw me off on the Anonymousatheis was that it should’ve been two words ie; Anonymous atheist or unknown disbeliever. Not knocking you but thanking you for the exercise. I had to get up, walk, pick up the dictionary, page through it. Whew, I’llhave to sit and relax for awhile after all that.. I gotta get out more often. Have a great day!
52 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Well dah, your reference to Anonymousatheis was one of the submitees. Boy do I feel dumb now.
53 believer // Dec 5, 2008 at 1:53 pm
you’re all idiots
54 Mizuha // Mar 8, 2009 at 2:23 pm
This is why my dad always said there were three things you should never discuss and they are religion,politics,and money.
55 Pubudu // Mar 9, 2009 at 2:10 am
Mizuha… you dad was both very wise and very stupid…
56 ronilb // Mar 16, 2009 at 1:21 pm
If any of you actually researched the bible with an open mind instead of simply looking to criticize it you might understand it. Prophecies and scientific info were wrote about hundreds of years in advance. And what does Jesus not writing himself have to do with it. With all the biographies written today that’s a pretty lame comeback. But from the arguments that taken place here I can tell your all too closeminded to learn anything.
57 Chris // May 17, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Anyone else find this incredibly funny? i’m hyper-rational but still religious so i found both sides rather hilarious and intriguing (BTW, i can’t spell to save my life so…)
58 Pubudu // May 17, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Chris, how can you be hyper rational AND religious? (Unless you are compartmentalizing).
Ronilb, you have no logical argument, all the “logical” counterpoints that have been presented FOR the side of religion has been thoroughly shot down… so is unless your definition of “an open mind” is “a mind devoid of logic” there is no point in bringing it up. And if you mean that then you are an idiot. Scientific info hundreds of years in advance? WTF? No, there are vague references that people have manipulated to make them seem like scientific info. Similarly the Quran, Torah, Bhagavat Gita and othe Vhedic texts also contain “scientific info” hundreds (or in the case of the Vhedas, thousands) of years in advance… and so does a childrens fairytale book.. if you look at it right… what a ridiculous thing to say!
59 Chris // May 17, 2009 at 9:58 pm
i do compartmentalize, alot actualy, i’m rather intresting really
60 Pubudu // May 17, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Why? Why don’t you apply your rationality to your entire world view?
61 Christi // May 18, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Hmmm …. Pubudu … there seems to have been a glitch in the site. I didn’t even post that comment to this story. I hadn’t even read this one. THe comment that I posted was to another story involving suing god. However, that story was about a JUDGE not someone in jail. And it was in response to someone who was saying that anyone who did not believe in god was going to hell. That WAS trying to force their opinions on everyone. Sorry for the confusion but it happens I guess.
62 Pubudu // May 19, 2009 at 3:38 am
Christi, that’s ok no worries at all!
63 Chris // May 19, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Pubudu, I don’t apply my rationality to my entire world view because I have this need to know everything, and if death is just the end then I didn’t complete my goal and my life’s work would be lost, but by believing in an afterlife I believe that my goal can be accomplished and that when I reach my heaven I can learn everything.
64 Joey // May 20, 2009 at 7:37 am
Pubudu please explain to me how it’s possible to bring charges against God for anything? God is not of this world. And also how can you sue anyone , including a church for your own crime that you committed i.e. murder?
65 Pubudu // May 20, 2009 at 8:15 am
Joey, that’s correct, god is not real, so you can’t sue him. But if the church can claim he is real, and if the church declares its his agent on earth, then the church is liable for what god does, and the lies and all that. He is suing god, or his agent for fraud, not murder… If he felt he was defrauded by god, then as his representive on earth the church should be sued (or at least the ability to do so should exist).
66 Mizuha // May 20, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Pubudu,could you please satisfy my curiosity?
When a Christian preaches the word of God to people,they do it because they believe they are saving people’s souls.Just how does it benefit people to tell them there is no God?Usually when people preach about their beliefs(or in your case, non-beliefs)they do it because they think they are helping.Just what are you trying to accomplish?
67 Pubudu // May 20, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Mizuha, first of all – im not preaching, I was simply stating a fact, then defending it when it was challenged.
To answer your question – why does anyone profess the truth? I’m trying to promote rationality and logic. And hopefully free people from irrational decisions etc. If someone had convinced the 9/11 bombers that there was no god, I think that would have benefited a lot of people, dont you think?
68 Mizuha // May 21, 2009 at 6:54 am
But what’s the point?Christianity states that you must believe in God to go to Heaven,which is why people spread His word. But since atheists believe that there is no God or afterlife,you saying it doesn’t change the end result.Whether you tell people there’s no God or not,we’re still gonna wink out like a lightbulb in the end,according to you. Telling people is not gonna save their souls,like spreading Christianity is supposed to.And what’s the point of logic and rationality when you won’t even remember?Once you die,you’ll no longer have a memory or conciencness.It’s not like you can build up enough memories to last an eternity in the afterlife because you don’t believe in the afterlife.But I’m going to tell you this,so listen carefully.You have as much right to your beliefs or non-beliefs as anyone.But the way I see it,I have less to lose for being wrong than you do.If I’m wrong,no big deal,I’m not even going to remember it anyway,I’ll have no sense of self,therefore no suffering or regrets.But if you are wrong,you’ll be spending eternity in Hell.As for the 9/11 bombers,I think that had less to do with religion and more to do with politics.
69 Pubudu // May 21, 2009 at 8:04 am
Mizuha, you think 9/11 was about politics? A group people KILLED themselves over politics? You think suicide bombers do it because of politics? That is completely and utterly wrong. It has everything to do with religion and their particular belief in god.
As for the rest of your argument – religion, especially Christianity/Islam looks to influence politics and policies of governments. The freedom of all people get targeted because of false beliefs, and that’s why rationality and logic must be promoted. The human race benefits from rationality and logic, to say “what good is it to me? After I die it wont matter anyway” is selfish to the highest degree! I can see you have a very selfish point of view (how does it benefit me etc etc) – my goal is not to help myself, but to promote rationality for the good of the human race. Yes, after I die there is nothing more, but more people will be better off for what I have done. And you say you have less to lose if you are wrong, and that’s not true, what if its an Islamic god… then you have just as much to lose as me… of course that wont be a problem because it doesn’t exist either!
70 Mizuha // May 21, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I didn’t mean to sound as if I was applying only to myself,I meant to imply everyone,if you are right about there being no God.And please lay off the insults,I actually have a good deal of respect for you because you obviously don’t accept a belief or ideal at face value.I’m simply saying,if you are right,nothing in this life will matter in the end.The Earth itself will not last forever.And what freedoms are affected by religion?Fornication?If a person is free to fornicate as they please,they will not only spread disease,but more girls will become pregnant and more babies mean more mouths to feed,which is not good when you don’t have a job and can barely feed yourself and are not even out of school.As for drinking and smoking for minors and even adults,I don’t even have to mention the health hazards.And then there’s murder and theft and you don’t have to have a religion to have a few common morals.And you can’t bring up brain stem research because apparently Obama approved that.
Now as I said earlier,I do have respect for a person who doesn’t follow an ideal blindly.I myself have questioned my faith and I decide to follow God,partly because I do believe in Him,and partly because I believe prudence is a virtue.Now you may be right,but it’s easier to be open-minded then risk being wrong.I’m only a simple country girl,but I am intelligent enough to notice incosistencies in the Bible and I’m not convinced it’s entirely true,although you can’t say it’s all untrue,because a lot of morals are mentioned in the Bible such as ‘Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you.’Perhaps many of the stories are not true but the moral lessons are.As you see,I also am not a blind follower,I question,I seek,and I learn.I don’t claim to know how the universe works and whether there is life after death,but I don’t wish to risk it.And I don’t only think about myself,I’m all for brain stem resaerch and cloning if it helps people,as long they don’t do something immoral like kill people or do experiments on an unwilling subject.Sorry if I strayed off the topic,I’m just trying to show where I’m coming from.And thank you for the discussion,it’s been a long while since I’ve discussed anything with a person who’s IQ is in the triple digits.
71 Chris // May 21, 2009 at 9:55 pm
i know, i’m surrounded by stupid people for 8 hours a day.
72 Pubudu // May 22, 2009 at 12:07 am
Sorry, I didn’t mean the selfish thing as an insult, I was simply responding to the “I won’t know etc…” But ok, you’ve clarified that, and I apologise.
What do I mean by peoples freedom – well for one thing I’m not referring to the US alone. Look at ANY islamic nation and look at what people have lost in terms of common freedom (esp women). As for the US the so called seperation of church and state is getting blurrier by the year, and that’s not acceptable. Look at some of the cases of problems with education boards wanting creationism in and as a science, because of the religious influence. The right to fornication? – Its not a right to fornicate, it’s a right for two people to use their natural bodily functions as they please – if they use the proper birth control methods (which of course some parts of the christian church is against) then there is no risk of pregnancy etc. What about the rights of homosexuals, which the churches are constantly trying to undermine, because the bible says its bad. (The same bible that says the punishment for rape is to get the rapist to marry the rapee – but I wont go into that).
As for the morals in the bible – many of the world religions teach the same morals, if not better ones in some cases. Certainly Buddhism is the first “religion” that I have heard of where women’s equality was promoted. So why not follow many of the upteen other religions? And the question remains – if I’m wrong, you could be wrong about a thoussand other religions, most of which claim the same punishment for not accepting that religion. No, the fear of being wrong is not a valid reason to believe something.
Let me clarify my position, I am open minded – I cannot say there is no god. But, using logical deduction, one can say there can be no god of the bible, if the bible is to be believed. The god mentioned in the bible is a logical impossibility – and rather than the word of a flawed 1900 year old book, I’d rather follow where rationality leads. Here’s the big problem with the bible. IT claims its the perfect word of god (and mostly that’s the only proof of god there is – circular argument much? – anyway). But if it is the perfect word of god it cant be wrong, and it certainly cant be inconsistent. All it is, is a bunch of book written by different men when they saaw something or wanted something, or even in some cases were simply nuts. There are many “lost books” from the bible, that were rejected because they would introduce inconsistencies to the bible, even though most of them were a lot older than the current bible – and still the bible has inconsistencies. While the bible might not be ALL wrong, most of it isn’t “right” because it was in the end a bunch of random people writing about whatever they wanted really. And anyway, a book saying something doesn’t make it true. If I wrote an entirely self consistent book claiming a giant pink elephant was responsible for the entire universe doesn’t make it true.
73 littleguy // Mar 9, 2011 at 11:14 am
hahaha dude yalls needa chill. i had to stop reasding all of those because it would’ve taken days. pububdud or whatever it is the most of the Bible isn’t meant to be taken literaly. its called parables man. i mean if you don’t believe you don’t believe and thats your choice. maybe its the right choice or maybe wrong. i believe you are wrong but hey ya never know. also you sound like that one smart kid in highschool who thought he was smart as hell but in reality was the only person who didn’t see how absolutely stupid he was. and i’m not saying that becausae of your beliefs i’m saying it because you tried to use a large vocabulary to berate people over the internet. haha i’m doing it now. anyways pbobubdubu you should try some psychedelics and meditate on the concept of God. you might get a better understanding of how it is supposed to be
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