I don’t pretend to know if there’s a God or not. That’s why I don’t kill, I don’t kicked puppies and I still capitalize his name just in case. I don’t know if he’s there, but if he is, I’m sure he could righteously kick my ass. That’s why I don’t envy this poor schmuck.
BUCHAREST, Romania (IOL) — A Romanian man who sued God for “fraud” and “betrayal of trust” for failing to answer his prayers has had his case dismissed in court, a newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Mircea Pavel, 40, who is serving 20 years in prison for murder, brought charges against “the defendant God, who lives in the heavens and is represented in Romania by the Orthodox Church,” the daily Evenimentul Zilei reported.
He accused God of “fraud, betrayal of trust, corruption and influence peddling.”
He sued God for his troubles. How did he ever get a lawyer to take on that case? Hmmm…
(insert harp flashback music here)
PLANTIFF: Hello there, Mr. Lawyer. I’d like to file a lawsuit against God.
LAWYER: Well, that sounds like a challenge. Why do you want to sue God?
PLANTIFF: Well, I’m in jail for murder and he failed to answer my prayers even after I was christened as a child and have followed his word devoutly all my life, so I think I’m due something.
LAWYER: That sounds perfectly reasonable. I’ll take it. (LAWYER snorts a long line of cocaine)
52 responses so far ↓
1 jo // Jul 31, 2007 at 1:51 pm
fuckin moron!
2 Pubudu // Aug 22, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Actually, if the church claims to be responsible, the bible is claimed as the word of god (by the church) people should be able to sue the church (hence by proxy god) for whatever reason. For example making fraudulent statements and claiming them as fact, i.e. the bible
3 vash // Aug 24, 2007 at 3:03 pm
The Bible is true, (cept that guy didn’t reasd the part where it says “God doesn’t answer the prayers of the wicked.”
4 donnie harrison // Oct 18, 2007 at 10:58 pm
What about helping those who help themselves I think he wants God to do all the work.
5 Pubudu // Oct 19, 2007 at 3:47 am
The Bible cannot be true, and therefore God should be sued for lying and misrepresentation!
6 Servant // Feb 29, 2008 at 11:05 am
Pubudu, can you actually prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the Bible is not true. Honestly, I have seen much more proof to support the Bible as the Word of God than the contrary. In fact, when some have tried to disprove God’s Word, I have seen them proven wrong.
7 Pubudu // Mar 1, 2008 at 6:21 am
Okay, the bible says that God is omnipotent, i.e. he can do anything and everything. If he can do anything can he create a rock he cannot lift? When you said prove, you let in the use of logic, and there it is, it is logically not possible for an omnipotent being to exist. And you can’t say “logic cannot be used” because you said prove, meaning logic can be used.
8 Servant // Mar 3, 2008 at 11:09 am
That is a very weak argument, Pubudu. In fact, that is not “logic” at all. I am all for logic and I believe that logic not only doesn’t contradict God, but it actually supports it. I would point you here:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/billramey/omni.htm
and here:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/rock.html
For a better understanding of logic and the fallacy of the argument you state.
9 Pubudu // Mar 6, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Ok then, answer the question that I asked!
10 Pubudu // Mar 6, 2008 at 10:15 pm
O……k I looked at the sites you pointed me to… it appears that neither you nor they understand the logic behind the argument. In fact there seems to be a general lack of understanding as to what pertains logic in the first place. What the above argument points out is the fallacy of infinites. It is a much explored area in mathematics if you care to look up a text book or anything of that sort. But the basis of the counter - argument is that faliure is not part of omnipotence. That wasn’t the point of the above argument, what the above argument shows is a omnipotence leads to a logical paradox. The second link wholly fails to grasp this concept, and doesnt seem to understand the point of logic!
11 Pubudu // Mar 6, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Reading further, they suggest that the infinitely heavy rock is the paradox, but its not, it is the omnipotence that is the paradox, that is the key point that all your so called “logical” counter arguments miss!
12 Servant // Mar 10, 2008 at 9:46 am
Basically, it is correct that God cannot contradict himself, but that is not a set of things God can’t do, it is the set of all things that are nothing. Put another way, if we can agree that Z is an all powerful being, then I tell you Z cannot do X, what does that tell you about X? Well, it must be nothing, otherwise Z could do it. It boils down to the tautology ‘things that are self contradicting are self contradicting’, or ‘if God contradicted Himself, He would contradict Himself.’ Does that mean God doesn’t exist? No, it means He can’t contradict Himself. Does that mean He’s not all powerful? No, it merely delineates those things that are meaningful from those which are not.
Incidentally, there is another set of things that God could theoretically do if one considered His power alone, but will not do according to His Word - things like change His character, become flawed, etc. Those aren’t meaningless notions but they are self imposed limits to His power if one wishes to consider them such.
CS Lewis put it a lot more convincingly (I believe He makes this case that this is a demonstration of the limits of language).
http://www.geocities.com/xonearthasitisinheavenx/Godandtherock.html
13 Pubudu // Mar 10, 2008 at 8:16 pm
No, again you miss the point. It doesnt boil down to that tautology. That tautology arises in this case because of applying a formal logical framework to something that is all powerful. The only argument that can be made is that such a framework cannot be applied to God, as fine as that is, if that’s the case it can never be proven that an all powerful God exists. That’s all that is. It doesnt prove that there is no god, all it shows is that an all powerful god is logically incompatible. That’s what it means, hence the reason for the tautology. The argument doesnt “boil down” to it.
14 Christi // Mar 12, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Why can’t you people just let others have their own beliefs. Just because you do or do not believe in God does not mean that you should try to force others to follow your belief. There are many different beliefs and none are wrong as long as the life you lead is a good one. I personally believe in a Goddess … but would never try to force my beliefs onto others. This country was founded on “freedom of religion” that means that we have the freedom to believe whatever we want to, without self righteous people trying to force their beliefs on us. You cannot either prove nor disprove the existence of God or any other diety. There to no way to do that so you should stop arguing and let everyone have their own beliefs. Try a little tolerance.
15 Pubudu // Mar 14, 2008 at 8:14 pm
?!? I’m not forcing my beliefs on anyone, I was just stating that the bible cannot be true, and someone asked me to prove that god cannot exist, and I was having an argument with her/him. And that I am allowed to say, you might have heard of a little thing called “Freedom of speech”. How am I self righteous? I was just presenting a logical arguement against the existence of a biblical all powerful God, because I was asked to. Are you blind? or just prone to making blind accusations? And I dont try tolerance I try acceptance and understanding, I dont merely tolerate someone who is different, I accept them and try to understand them, perhaps you should try that!
16 ronilb // Mar 27, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Pubudu i think u need a hug! back off a little people come to this webite for a laugh not to be berated or to get in arguments over their beliefs… hit the next button and have a good laugh…….geez
17 ronilb // Mar 27, 2008 at 1:17 pm
LOL
18 Pubudu // Mar 27, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Berated? Look I was responding to some illogical crap left here by someone, then to Christi for making non sensical comments, yes this site is a laugh, but one should not use that as a reason not to respond to idiotic comments (as per Christi)
19 Becca :) // Mar 28, 2008 at 9:15 am
I love God
He rocks.
20 Becca :) // Mar 28, 2008 at 9:16 am
I love God
21 Pubudu // Mar 28, 2008 at 9:17 am
Fair enough, I also love imaginary beings just like you!
22 ronilb // Mar 31, 2008 at 11:36 am
are you sure you know the meaning of laugh…expression of amusement..as in fun LAUGH!!!! stop talking and trying to defend yourself….Laugh…just watching you freak out makes me laugh, so thanks
23 Pubudu // Mar 31, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I’m freaking out am I? for someone who asks me if I know the meaning of laugh, you seem to not know the meaning of much at all. Stop stirring, and follow your own advice, do us all a service and stop talking!
24 ronilb // Apr 1, 2008 at 7:21 am
ouch…i give up…you apparently don’t know how to enjoy this website…so how bout this…… why don’t sue the website for allowing dumb people like us make comments!
25 Pubudu // Apr 1, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Well at least you got the part about you being dumb right… HAHAHA see I know how to laugh!
26 ronilb // Apr 2, 2008 at 7:03 am
YOU ARE A MISERABLE PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!SCREW YOU
27 Pubudu // Apr 2, 2008 at 7:07 am
HAHA, oh no someone is getting “freaked out” I think, hahaha man you are right, this website is hilarious… hahahah so are you gonna follow your own advice about dumb people? (seeing as you are one)… oh and on the offer to screw me, NO THANKS hahahahahahahha…
28 ronilb // Apr 2, 2008 at 8:50 am
i go back to my old advice hit the next button, i am not freaking out and i am not dumb the only dumb part is i’ve actually wasted time having any discussion with you…you waste of human flesh..have a great freaking day
29 Pubudu // Apr 2, 2008 at 8:53 am
oh no! name calling! way not to freak out man(or woman) hahahahahah… bwahahahahahahaha , and ur the one who said that you were dumb man… ah ha hah a, you ARE funny (but im laughing at you). Calm down man, it’ll be ok!
30 ronilb // Apr 2, 2008 at 11:49 am
in the words of dane cook i hope your reincarnated back in the form of the tree and they cut you down pound you into paper and make a copy of the bible on you…the believers ultimate revenge…loser
31 Pubudu // Apr 3, 2008 at 1:05 am
hahahah, man you really ARE funny, if the bible is true there is no reincarnation! HAHAHHA way to contradict yourself … I think you have gotten so worked up that you cannot write sensible things anymore…. like I said, stop freaking out man, calm down! HAHAHAHAH … man!
32 ronilb // Apr 3, 2008 at 5:28 am
woman…you moron…and i dont believe in reincarnation…some atheist said that we all become one with the planet and help fertilize the earth and trees…whatever…i know exactly what the bible says i wasnt quoting the bible i was quoting a comedian if you could read you would see i was not contradicting myself…u seem like you would be sooooo funny to hang out with…..i only pray i never have to meet you in person!!
33 Pubudu // Apr 3, 2008 at 7:49 am
Haha, regardless an irrelevant and stupid comment then isnt it? I know its a comedian’s line, but by quoting it you essentially wanted to put it out there. It had nothing to do with anything, but your own stupidity stopped you from realising that while it might appear clever, in fact it isnt clever at all! By even bringing it up (for whatever reason) you are contradicting yourself! and “man” was used as a generic term there as one cannot guess gender over the net. I think perhaps in this case the name you called “moron” aptly describes you!
34 ronilb // Apr 3, 2008 at 9:11 am
thats wonderful mr personality…get a life…your logic and arguments just prove how ignorant you are to the more important things…have a great life!
35 Pubudu // Apr 3, 2008 at 4:13 pm
hahah, you made another joke! You are talking to me about logic?! It is clear to me that you dont have an inkling of logic in your comments, and if YOU werent so ignorant perhaps you would realise that. It seems to me that you are getting annoyed, and letting your emotions take over, its ok! HAHAHAHA… you were so right about how funny this website is! aaah good times! (oh btw still laughing AT you)
36 ronilb // Apr 5, 2008 at 2:02 pm
yeah, yeah…whatever…
37 Pubudu // Apr 5, 2008 at 9:16 pm
oh the poor little woman has no comeback!
38 ronilb // Apr 7, 2008 at 8:38 am
i have plenty to say i just know that i would be wasting my breath on a close-minded individual such as yourself… i have been studying the bible for 22 years…and its going to take more than a couple stupid comments from you to change my mind, as i know i cant convince you of anything because you think you know everything already…
39 Pubudu // Apr 7, 2008 at 5:11 pm
So studying some work of fiction for 22 years doesnt mean its right. It means you are too stupid to realize its a work of fiction! haha ha ha ha… Also for some bible lover, you seem extremely bitter and angry. I mean look at some of the things you’ve said. It must hurt to see your imaginary friends being found out! Also, I KNOW i dont know everything, only idiotic bible lovers profess such extremities of knowledge! You really are very very stupid arent you? Or are you simply blind to reality?
40 ronilb // Apr 8, 2008 at 6:44 am
IT MUST BE BORING TO BELIEVE IN NOTHING!!!!! I’M ONLY ANGRY WHEN I ENCOUNTER SUCH BLATANT DISRESPECT FOR THE THINGS I LOVE AND BELIEVE IN…IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER ME BLIND TO REALITY FINE WITH ME…YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT LOOKED CLOSE ENOUGH AT THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE…BUT AGAIN WHATEVER! YOUR PROBABLY SOME 20 YR OLD KNOW IT ALL JUMPING ON THE LATEST BAND WAGON OF NON BELIEVERS…
41 Pubudu // Apr 8, 2008 at 6:54 am
Oh no! Someone’s caps lock seems to be broken! As I clearly said I do not claim to know it all! Yes I am 20 something years old, but I am a physicist and I consider all facts and ideas critically, which is what has led me to this current stance. I was brought up in a religious environment, but was able to critically look at it and make a logical deduction. I’m not jumping on any band-wagon, and I dont need belief in myth to keep my life interesting! Everyday I discover with my colleagues the beauty of the universe, and that certainly is not boring! It must be boring for you to look no further than your nose. You seem so angry … how christian of you!
42 ronilb // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:26 am
oh whatever…i have 2 friends who have degrees and have worked in the science field for many yrs and they say the more they study the universe the more they believe…i don’t believe in a myth to keep my life interesting i believe something i have studied and researched extensively…i am not the type to jump in or believe something blindly… and the more i study the more i believe and the happier i am… but you are right about ONE THING!! some (well alot) of my comments were uncalled for and i apologize…but as far as this argument goes it is useless and a waste of time…the funny thing i started out trying to make you laugh vcj and it turned in to this ridiculous argument…we’re judging each other and dont even know each other so i withdraw im done…
43 Pubudu // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:52 am
Yeah, but you probably hang out with idiots so its ok. And I meant it your anger is very christian, it has been a habit of theirs to blind maim murder and torture people who dont agree with their world view so its fine … really no need to apologize you are just being truthful to your religion! I’m not judging you, just laughing at you, its not the same thing! And as for your friends, well good for them, but that doesnt change the fact they, like you are believing in a myth. I dont know why you do it, perhaps no one sees the elegance of disordered order.
44 ronilb // Apr 14, 2008 at 7:54 am
whatever genius
45 Pubudu // Apr 15, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Ahhh typical response from an ignorant person. Well done, you have proven exactly how stupid you are!
46 ronilb // Apr 16, 2008 at 2:15 pm
and i repeat whatever genius
47 anonymousatheis // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:16 am
after reading all of that all i can really say is wow, but i concur with Pubudu, the book is not true, for the sole reason that it was written by men, like all other books, and man has always had a very active imagination, man will always find a “explantion” for things it can not truely explain, so man created a all powerful being that created us, so all in all we created the being that created us, that would basicly make us god.
48 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Wow!!! Anyone hurt in that discussion? I guess just me because I got paper cuts on my fingers paging through the dictionary looking up the words being used. Enjoyed the go round though. However just a thought…About the suit. He sued God. How can someone sue a characture of a book. Man wrote about him. Christ did not write it. By the way…Don’t bother reading the bible because the hero in the book gets killed half way through it. Also, I don’t know about reincarnation but if it does happen I want to come back as a girls bicycle seat. Have a great day all.
49 Pubudu // Apr 26, 2008 at 7:54 pm
A bicycle seat .. heh, and anonymousatheis, that’s probably the best way to put it!
50 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:06 pm
and anony…….Oh hell back to the dictionary. Can I sue you for cut finger tips???
51 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Pubudu, what threw me off on the Anonymousatheis was that it should’ve been two words ie; Anonymous atheist or unknown disbeliever. Not knocking you but thanking you for the exercise. I had to get up, walk, pick up the dictionary, page through it. Whew, I’llhave to sit and relax for awhile after all that.. I gotta get out more often. Have a great day!
52 Schultz // Apr 26, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Well dah, your reference to Anonymousatheis was one of the submitees. Boy do I feel dumb now.
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