Disability is a huge tragedy in our reality. What’s even more tragic are the people willing to cash in on this unfortunate right at the expense of others just because they wear lousy perfume.
A woman can pursue a civil disability lawsuit against her employer because of the smell of her co-worker’s perfume, according to the AP.
The woman claims she has a sensitivity to perfume and the scent of her co-worker prevented her from breathing. The employer plans to claim the “he who smelt it, dealt it” defense.
The woman claims the co-worker also used a room deodorizer that contributed to her condition. Geez, perfume and a room deodorizer? Did they also work next to a smelting plant?
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1 Schultz // Dec 12, 2008 at 3:02 pm
It’s cases like this one that clog the court system for people with legitimate disability concerns. It’s incredible to think that anyone would believe that the one room freshner and one perfume would be the exact ones that irritate her senses to the point that it would be a disabling factor unless she never uses either one or any of them. Can you imagine how she and her house stinks???? Have a great day!
2 Anonymous // Dec 22, 2008 at 7:36 pm
ello, what’s all this then? It auto-fills me as Anonymous in the comment box? COOL BEANS.
3 Michael // Dec 24, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Chemical sensitivities are a very real medical problem. Many hospitals ban perfume. I’m not allergic, but I couldn’t kiss Miss Universe if she wore that stuff. Perfume and deodorizers came from the days when people bathed once a month and air filters hadn’t been invented yet.
4 Tony // Feb 9, 2009 at 3:51 pm
mabye she is allergic, so she should be entitled to some form of compensation as she would probobly have informed wherever she works, but then again the world is full of people, disabled or not, that want to steal some money legally. theres no way to be sure…
5 Denise // Apr 3, 2009 at 1:09 am
My husband has had hernia repair, then his appendix burst. A few later he began having severe back pain and went through 3 back surgeries and 2 major complications associated with them. The pain and steriod shots in his disk led to high blood pressure. At the age of 38 he had his first major heart attack and had stent placements. One year later he had another major heart attack and had another stent placement ( all before the age of 40)! At the age of 44 he had so many problems I couldn’t name them all. He began spitting up blood if he got the least bit winded and just walking from one room to the next would exhaust him. He was uninsured and couldn’t see a doctor but one night he couldn’t breathe and had to go to the E.R. They said that he has Congestive Heart Failure (44). Guess who has been rejected from getting disability ? The Judge said that he could be a door greeter at Wal-Mart. I normally would not wish hardships onto others but I do wish that woman had 1/2 the physical difficulties that my husband has been enduring! People like her are keeping the courts backed up for years and when the real disabled people have to file an appeal the family goes through an additional year and a half to three years of pure hell. Boy am I mad now! If I knew where this person was I would cover her in dog poo .
6 Lauren // May 28, 2009 at 12:37 am
This is a real disability! I have severe allergies, and somone wearing the wrong perfume or deodorant can leave me laid up for hours! before I was diagnosed, I spent 2 YEARS in and out of school. It occurs 2/3 times per week. (Normal allergy pills do not help, but perscripition migrane medications and excedrin migraine work miracles)
denise i’m soory about your husband, but she has a legitimate claim!
7 Mizuha // May 28, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Lauren.She does NOT have a legitimate claim!
More than likely,people would sue for not being allowed to wear perfume or deodorant,or sue her for suffering due to to her body odor.
8 Lauren // May 28, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Mizuha, u don’t know s*it. Unless u suffer with this, don’t bother commenting on it. If u are curious, look at this: http://www.multiplechemicalsensitivity.org/multiple-chemical-sensitivity-1.php
There are a few fakers, but an genuine allergy is easily proven by a skin test. (I had my allergies proven when I was 14).
It is debiliating, but easily worked around. She does have a legal claim, IF she spoke to her coworkers and supervisors about it. Hypoallergenic body poducts don’t cause symptoms.
9 Kevin // Jun 2, 2009 at 1:00 am
Boy, If I had a dime for every person who thinks this is fake. Different people have different levels of sensitivity, just like hearing. If you have exceptional hearing and someone blasts an air horn near your ear, it could send you through a wall. If you listen to ear buds at high volumes all the time and say what a lot, you might not get hurt by the same air horn. To the first person it is excruciating. It is similar with chemicals like deodorizers, perfume, and truck exhaust. (not all perfumes.) The effects are lingering. These can cause disorientation, aniety, confusion, dizzyness. The effects can last hours or days. Some women and men wear so much perfume in our small office that my eyes burn and I have to leave. It smells like what I would guess a whore house would smell like. I leave work and after dinner I can still taste the perfume in my lungs. The anxiety and confusion has hurt my performance at work as well, and will jeopardize my position. I do fine when these people are not at work, or don’t pour it on. Furthermore, I have asked to be seated away from these people, and as of now, I am seated between them. Where can I get some blue cheese cologn? Perhaps If I come in smelling gross, with a perfume I claim to like, they will get the message. Denise, You need to get a good lawyer, or a better social worker. Me, I could never work at walmart. To many low class citizens taking perfume baths instead of showers.
10 Anonymous // Jun 8, 2009 at 8:32 pm
you people have too much time on your hands
11 Brian // Jul 6, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Assuming the lady has a real allergy, why didn’t her company just ASK the co-worker not to wear perfume or use the air freshener? What makes this a dumb suit is not the allergy, but the fact that it could be resolved with just a little common courtesy!
Denise – it doesn’t help you, but as someone who used to argue SSA disability cases, your husband’s situation – denials of the obvious, etc. – is perfectly normal. I was told (not by the SSA, of course) that the SSA denies almost all cases up-front, then waits to see who will appeal the denial. The vast majority of those appeals are also denied because the SSA knows most people won’t sue. Of those who sue, something like 90% are won at the trial level.
The two layers of denials serve to keep people off disability by weeding out those who don’t jump through ALL the hoops, AND by the fact that some of the claimants will die before they get their case approved.
Anyway, no perfume at work – sometimes, some people smell great with perfume or cologne. But a lot of the time, they overdo it and you can’t avoid smelling them from 30 feet away!
12 robert // Aug 18, 2009 at 6:29 pm
that is so stupid deffently what a lame lawsuit
13 Anonymous // Oct 20, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Legitimate complaint, and if the employer doesn’t act, the employee has every right to sue. Perfume sensitivity is a serious problem for a measurable percentage of the population. Grow up.
14 Maili Cope // Jan 1, 2010 at 7:54 pm
How can you sue someone for wearing perfume and useing air freshner, when they don’t even know it irititates your nose or lung or througt or watever.what should have happened is this:
“Are you wearing perfume?”
“yes, if that a problem?”
“little, is there any way to dillute the smell?”
“Oh, im sorry, i had no idea.maybe i can go to the bathroom and do something about that.”
“thank you.”
But no, the plantif sufferd in silence and that was their fault not the defendind.And as for the air freshner, you could had asked someone to not spray it.I mean rely, if a little comunication going to kill you?
15 kim // Jan 28, 2010 at 2:19 pm
I think “sent sensitive” law suits are a good thing as long as a judge has foresight enough to pick out the ones that are B.S.
I have this same situation going on at work now. I’ve asked (nicely) this person 3 months ago, in a meeting with 3 suporvisors present and she agreed not to wear the perfume at work anymore. Yesterday I made her mad and low and behold today when she came in, she had it on. Personally, I think she is being vendictive. She sues people for things at the drop of a had and would be the type of person that would sue me if our roles were reversed because she is supposedly “sent sensitive” herself. At least that’s what she’s told everyone here. Why then, if she truely has a problem with smells, does she wear this perfume? I’m almost ready to seek legal advise on this matter myself.
16 Kevin // Jan 30, 2010 at 6:31 pm
What most people don’t realize is that the suffering is real. VERY REAL!!! on many levels. It hurts. It causes some people to become ILL. SICK, with lingering effects. It causes CONFUSION and IMPAIRS COGNITIVE FUNCTION and makes it hard to breathe because it hurts and your body does not want to. Breathing and opening your eyes to see is not optional. Bathing in or wearing cologne is. Some people just don’t care about the well being of others to the point where they will actually DO something to hurt them. Perfume is optional. They are selfish and want to DO something despite the fact that it hurts someone else and threatens their employment. Now they are saying if you have to blow your nose, go to the bathroom because it offends people, but nothing about wearing so much cologne you can smell it from across the room.
One day, If I don’t get another job, an ambulance is going to be involved. You can bet I would sue if that day came.
17 Mizuha // Jan 31, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Kevin, it sounds like you are just as selfish. People like you expect everyone else to do without if you have a problem with it. The majority of people don’t have an allergy to perfume. Why should most of the population go without because a few people can’t handle it? You might as well outlaw perfume period if we are not allowed to wear it without fear of causing someone to have an athsma attack.
18 Kevin // Feb 2, 2010 at 2:28 am
Selfish. I am trying to survive. Gee, maybe I should bring an oxygen tank to work. I dont spray lysol around my desk becuase it hurts this lady’s lungs… I can’t bring in food that other people don’t like the smell of because they get offended by cabbage or god forbid brocholi. or Calliflour and garlic… Ohhhh tabooo. This same woman smokes and on occasion wreaks. If she is mad at me, she puts on more perfume. I don’t care who wears perfume, but if you are going to be stuck in a room with me, and my paycheck depends on me being fuctional, then HELL YEAH, stop pouring it on. Put in on as much as you like when you leave… just not when you have to be near me or in the same room. Imagine 45 people stuck in a room made for 20, 15 or so people wearing exorbant ammounts of POLO and AXE, and the women wearing tons of perfume. Its a blitzkrieg. Its toxic, and it has no place in the work environment when we are all working in the same room No cubicles either. I don’t think I am being selfish, I think they are. And maybe they should regulate what goes into the perfume. Some of the ingredients are extremely toxic. I really dont think you understand. I come to work 15 mins later than most people. I can tell who is at work before I get to the entrance because I can still strongly smell thier cologne as I walk within 15 to 20 feet of the door. minutes after they have already entered the building. Even I wear perfume once in a while. The types I can tolerate, and in small ammounts. Perfume is supposed to be worn lightly to seduce people into wanting to come closer and blend with your smell. It’s sexy… Not create a forcefield around you and bullying the senses of everyone around you. (burning eyes and hurting their lungs.) I just get so pissed off at the lack of compassion. You have no idea what it is like. Take a bottle of polo, and soak a tissue in it, then put it up your nose and hold it over your mouth and breath for a few minutes. Make sure to let the fumes get in your eyes. I always try to mind the feelings of my coworkers, and gone out of my way to accomidate them, but that is slowly comming to a halt. one last thought. Some groups are claiming thy have proven that pregnant women who wear a lot of perfume are at great risk of having sterile male babies. No grandkids… Think about it.
19 Kevin // Feb 2, 2010 at 2:31 am
Guess I will have to go back to school and learn how to spell and write next. Sorry about that.
20 Mary // Feb 5, 2010 at 9:52 pm
I think the woman has a legitimate claim here. Allergies to perfumes and other scents are REAL! Not some made-up story in order to win a lawsuit!
I’m with Kevin. I’ve been with the same company for more than 26 years, and never had a problem when I was in my old position because my co-workers understood. I changed jobs almost 3 years ago, but with the same company. One woman wore her perfume so strong, that I was gagging all day from it. When I asked her nicely to please tone it down, she said she had the “right” to wear it. What about MY RIGHT to BREATHE?? Well, she left the company finally, and for almost a year, I felt great!
Then, a few months ago, another woman started working in our dept. and she bathed in this stuff. I polititely asked her on Day 1 to tone it down, but she said “No, I have the right to wear it, and I don’t overwear it!” Bull!! I could smell her down the hallway. On Day 2, I asked her again, and she told me I was making her “uncomfortable” and she went to my boss about me. DAY TWO!! I would think a new employee would want to get along with others.
I haven’t discussed this with my boss yet, but I’m always out sick. Back in December I was taken out of work by ambulance due to high BP, and it was found out that the Sudafed raised my BP to dangerous levels (242/127). They had to give me 5 doses of Nitro to bring me back down. I was taking so much Sudafed just so I could breathe, but it added more trouble for me. I really thought about sueing this inconsiderate bitch!
I now have 2 notes from doctors saying that I can’t be around this, and have an appt. with my cardiologist next week to get a 3rd note, then I am going straight to my boss, and if needed, to HR to stop this.
So, please people….before you say it’s just another way to make money, THINK! Use your head. The main ingredient in perfume is petroleum. Yes, the same stuff that’s used to make gasoline!!! Just because you don’t have allergies/sensitivies to this stuff, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, because it does!
These allergies to perfume ARE REAL, not fake.
21 Mizuha // Feb 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Mary
The rights of the many are more important than the rights of the few. Just because a FEW people have an allergy to perfume, why should the MANY who are not go without?
22 Mary // Feb 6, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Mizuha, it’s exactly your way of thinking that makes others sick! Irregardless of the fact that “the many” don’t have allergies, the few that ARE allergic are suffering on a daily basis. I was in this company and dept. long before she ever arrived, so I feel that I have the right to request that she stop wearing it. It’s just the considerate thing to do. I meet with my cardiologist next week, and I’ll get a third note to back up my concerns about MY HEALTH! I think she needs to stop wearing it out of respect for others. At my age (55), I have no place else to go, and plan to retire in 3 years from the company, so why can’t I just be comfortable until then?
23 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 3:08 am
Mary
It’s natures way. The weak are not meant to survive and impede the strong. Allergies are a weakness. I know I sound harsh, but I didn’t create nature.
24 Kevin // Feb 7, 2010 at 3:36 am
Probably what really needs to happen here is that the FDA really needs to step in and regulate perfume. The toxic waste MFGs put into it, and to make things worse nano tubes. Mizuha, your argument is out of context and completely flawed. This is a point made by selfish people who would rather have thier scent be smelled by all those around them, than care for the well being of another. Why is it that smokers can’t smoke in a restaurant? Thousands smoke. Not everyone is offended by smoke. Why can’t coworkers come sit next to you while you work and smoke? Now, I dont like second hand smoke, it is quite offensive, but it does not affect me as drastically as perfume does. (they both make me sick) Another thing to note is that the request is not to stop wearing it completely… just show some class and only wear a little. Also to respect those around you and if it makes your coworker sick, find something else to wear. By the way, the rights of EVERYBODY is important. The consitution says LIFE and liberty before the persuit of happiness. So let them live. Follow the golden rule, treat others as you would like to be treated and respect your fellow man. Case 2: Lets put your logic to the test: Lots of guys would like to have sex. Maybe they all would like to have sex with one particular girl. Maybe 1000 guys. Sex is legal, why should the rights of the few be worth more than the many. Should be forced into satisfying all of them.
The fact of the matter is that forcing others to endure sufficient quantities of perfume (toxins) to the point that it hurts or impairs normal functions is nothing short of bodily ASSAULT. Intended or not. It is acting in a manner that is offensive, abusive, and in some cases life threatening. If you are one of those people wearing too much, then I assure you that the people around you are being nice if they don’t say anything, (what they are saying is behind your back.) When people’s eyes make funny shapes when you walk by, its because they hurt or are getting burned. When they cough it is because of the sudden pain in thier sinus or lungs. There is no law that says you have a right to wear cologne. There are laws that say you have a right to live un-asaulted. We all have the right to throw rocks, practice karate, and shoot guns, smoke, pass gas, eat smelly food, and wear perfume. Just not when it hurts or offends people. That is called assault.
25 Kevin // Feb 7, 2010 at 3:52 am
In response to Mizuha 23. You are a total Twit. Look up the word, It defines your existence. Go back to your redneck jerry springer world. You are self centered, have no class, no respect. You will some day be preyed upon by someone or something that will really make your life miserable… (oh thats probably already happened to make you this way.)
26 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 9:09 am
Thank you, Kevin. If I have my say about this, I will force HR to make a decision about perfume wearers. It has no place in the workplace. That stuff was intended for when you go out for the evening. Are you at work to wear perfume (putting more on periodically during the day, or are you there to work??).
You have to get your morals straight, because NOT wearing perfume to work won’t kill you, but it WILL kill me. Get your head out of your butt and think of others instead of your selfish self for once in your life.
27 Lauren // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:07 pm
There’s an extension on Kevin’s argument: Your right to punch ends where the guy next to you’s nose begins. In this case, perfume is violating the rights of people around you. So get your head out of your ass and quit wearing so much perfume. Perfume is not a necessary item so quit whining.
28 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Mary, Kevin, It’s an eat or be eaten world out their, the strong dominate the weak, it’s how nature intended things to be. And I hate to tell you, there are going to be things you do that anny others. Perhaps you and most of your coworkers like listening to country music while working or waiting in a traffic jam, but a few people around you don’t like country music. I’d be willing to guarantee if the few asked you to turn it off and put on some rap or something, you would be offended, refuse, and then tell them that the majority likes country music, and too bad for the few who don’t. If you have the right to listen to what music you want, then others have a right to not be annoyed by it.
29 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Lauren
I agree, perfume is not a nessessity. But then, neither are fancy houses, electricity, vehicles, computers,etc. So why do you have them? Because you want them, even though making them directly harms the environment. Cars cause far more air pollution than perfume, yet even though millions of people die of cancer caused by car exhaust, I doubt you complain about that half as much as someone wearing perfume.
30 Lauren // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:32 pm
It is way more than an annoyance. This is our quality of life we’re talking about. You still haven’t even bothered to look up what we’re arguing about.
And your music argument? Total crap. This is not about annoyance .I do try to find a happy medium.
And your natural selection argument…about allergies?! What you are saying is that about 12 million people in the U.S. alone have less of a right to life than the people without allergies.
We’re arguing about allergies that are CHEMICAL aka MANMADE anyway.That is not natural at all.
31 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Oh for God’s sake, Mizuha. You’re confusing the animal world with humans! The weak vs. strong does not pertain to the office environment! It’s a matter of common courtesy that an employee respects that another person is suffering. Bathe in that stuff, go to work, and eventually someone is going to have a problem with you and/or your perfume because they have to breathe it in 8 hours a day! My guess is they would have a problem with YOU just because you’re ignorant about what’s really important.
Music doesn’t kill anyone. It may drive someone nuts (I don’t listen to music at work…I’m there to WORK!), but it won’t harm someone’s HEALTH! You are really missing the point here.
Your arguments are ridiculous!
32 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Lauren,
Well, I guess you’re just screwed then. At least I’m not so naive as to think complaints are going to do any good. The government is only going to do so much. The last thing they want is to increase people’s life spans more when this planet is so overpopulated. If some people die of asthma brought on by perfume, then it’s all the better for the government, because that’s one less weak person taking up resourses meant for the strong.
33 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Also, go back and read my comment about how perfume is made. It’s made from PETROLEUM, the same stuff that you put into your car. Know how your hands smell after pumping gas? Now go breathe that smell in 8 hours a day, and see how you feel by the end of the day.
Your arguments are lame. You need to educate yourself about what exactly it is that we’re talking about. One more time: PERFUMES ARE TOXIC!!
I suggest you read this little paragraph, and hopefully you will actually comprehend how important it is to people who have real allergies.
http://www.ourlittleplace.com/perfume.html
34 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Nature runs the “human world” just as much as the animal world. We will all die someday and become food for the worms, so what does it matter if it’s sooner or later? And you are really missing the point too. I said that the needs of many are greater than the needs of a few, and you disagreed, then when I bring up the point about music, you say it’s acceptable because music doesn’t harm anyone. So that means you do believe in the rights of the many before the righs of few, even if only for certain things.
35 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:46 pm
The Government wants to lessen our life span because we’re overcrowded? PLEASE!! That was the stupidest comment you’ve made so far.
What about cigarettes? I suppose they still sell them to kill off “the weak”, huh? Incredible. Absolutely incredible!
I shake my head at your ridiculous comments. Come back when you have a plausible argument!
36 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Mary
You don’t think that the government is trying to thin out the population? There are already laws in UK that give doctors the right to refuse smokers, obese, and the elderly treatment. Over there, they are considered “burdens to society”. If this health care bill passes, we are going to be in the same boat. The bill guarantees health insurance for everyone, but doctors will still be able to refuse you.
37 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Wrong Mizuha! I never said that I think music is okay in the workplace because it doesn’t harm anyone. I believe what I said was that I don’t listen to music at work. It’s a choice I made. I actually don’t find it acceptable when I’m trying to work, but if I DID play music, and someone complained, I certainly wouldn’t hesitate to turn it off.
Getting a little flustered, are we?? You keep bringing up the stupidest crap to argue your point. LOL
38 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:56 pm
I am opposed to the Healthcare Reform Bill, but that’s another story. If you presently have healthcare through your employer, nothing will change. Nothing. This is meant to insure the rest of the country who don’t have it. If some doctor refused me, I would simply go to another doctor. Easy peasy, right?
39 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Mary
And I will repeat myself, perfume may be toxic, but so is many other things you use.You think electricity is clean energy? It causes far more pollution than any amount of perfume, and so does car exhaust,yet I don’t hear you complaining about them.Why not?
40 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Sheesh!! Electricity has no smell to it. How does this create pollution?? Cars DO have exhaust, and I’ve found myself gagging when behind an older car. With the emissions testing that’s mandated by my State, most cars are not toxic in the same way that the perfumes are, at least not like they used to be. It’s just simple reasoning, Mizuha.
41 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Mary
Apparantly you never been to a power plant. Do it sometimes and watch how much smoke goes into the atmosphere and how much chemical waste is dumped into rivers and lakes.
42 Kevin // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm
I am laughing now. Weak and strong thing, drop it already. I am strong enough to elimintate the problem by force and smart enough to do so by more creative means. So who is weak here, Really, give it a rest. (BTW, I am a pacifist and do not believe in violence. I actually like some of these people, or did, except for the perfume.) If you want to talk about the animal world, you tell me what happens when you back an animal into a corner? Try it with a racoon sometime. See what happens when people get desperate. One more argument about weak.
The law was intended to protect the rights of everyone, especially the weak, who cannot protect themselves alone.
Also,… if you were to start your car, and sit in a closed garage, with your co workers, you would all be dead in a short while. If you wear too much perfume outside, you would not be offending anyone who could not get out of your way. And most likely less people would keep their distance.
Try riding your bike uphill alongside rush hour bumper to bumper traffic. For a few miles. How’s your breathing.
Try jogging indoors in a crowded gym wearing all that perfume during a crowded time. How’s your breathing? Are you getting any dirty looks from others around you breathing hard. Do people let out a little cough as you walk by or shutter. Do they do that at work? In the Malls? Do people ever move away from you in the movie theater? (remember, some like a lot of perfume so they may stay… or have it on themselves which amplifies it.) In the office, do people try to keep the conversations short and get fidgity when you corner them or engage them in a lengthy conversation? Do you suffer from migranes, headaches, dry skin, dry eyes? Do you get sick a lot? You might be wearing too much perfume.
BTW, I hardly ever get sick, except for when I am exposed to excessive deisel fumes, perfume, and some other chemicals I have not figured out yet. Perfume is the hardest to deal with because I have to work and cannot avoid it. Some days there are 15 or so people who put too much on, and the whole place is a slugfest. Production goes down, and I get very disoriented. Fuctional, but not able to do many things at once…. Lastly, its as if the perfume gets in my lungs and wont leave. I can taste it for hours at times. So the effect is lingering. The worst was this janitor that used to pour a bottle of polo on before work. The thing is he stunk like old sweat. The perfume would carry this into my body, up my nose, in my lungs and my mouth. I could taste this guy. It was like licking his sweaty hairy disgusting chest. Foul, disgusting, like being raped. and lingering. then there was the pain in my lungs and sinus, and the and confusion and anxiety. Same thing with poor femine hygene. You bet its disgusting. Perfume does not mask it, it just carries it further.
I do hope that grosses you out, it sure does me. I believe they let that janitor go… or moved him to another building.
(YES, I have always had a strong sense of smell.) Too bad, I could not make a living being a nose for a perfume company… how ironic.)
43 Kevin // Feb 7, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Mizuha, you are right about the environment being badly poluted. Personally I think it is already much worse than people think. And it is only going to get worse. In that sense, you are right, the weak will get culled. Our gov’t (US) is setting in place a brokering system for polution rights for businesses that will make certain individuals Millions if not billions of dollars, and may not help the world situation in the end. In order to fix this we, the human race is going to have to get smarter, more widely educated, and information freed that allow us to make good decisions. But this is a whole different enviroment. You are talking gun control, and we are talking about the right not to be shot.
44 Mary // Feb 7, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Here are the facts:
Relevant Facts:
95% of chemicals used in fragrances are synthetic compounds derived from petroleum. They include benzene derivatives, aldehydes and many other known toxics and sensitizers – capable of causing cancer, birth defects, central nervous system disorders and allergic reactions. Neurotoxins: At Home and the Workplace, Report by the Committee on Science & Technology, U.S. House of Representatives, Sept. 16, 1986. (Report 99-827)
Central Nervous System disorders (brain and spine) include Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s Disease, Alzheimer’s Disease, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
Chloroform was found in tests of fabric softeners: EPA’s 1991 study.
A room containing an air freshener had high levels of p-dichlorobenzene (a carcinogen) and ethanol: EPA’s 1991 study.
An FDA analysis (1968-1972) of 138 compounds used in cosmetics that most frequently involved adverse reactions, identified five chemicals (alpha-terpineol, benzyl acetate, benzyl alcohol, limonene and linalool) that are among the 20 most commonly used in the 31 fragrance products tested by the EPA in 1991!
Thirty-three million Americans suffer from sinusitis (inflammation or infection of sinus passages).
Ten million Americans have asthma. Asthma and asthma deaths have increased over 30% in the past 10 years.
Headaches cost $50 billion in lost productivity and medical expenses and 157 million lost work days in 1991. “Focus on Fragrance and Health,” by Louise Kosta, The Human Ecologist, Fall 1992.
45 Mizuha // Feb 7, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Well, no matter which way you look at it, one group is going to lose rights to appease the other group. If they ban perfume, the allergy sufferers get their cake and eat it too, while those who like to wear perfume end up with nothing. How is it a fair trade?What are allergy sufferers willing to do to compensate the ones who lose their right to wear perfume?
46 Kevin // Feb 7, 2010 at 9:31 pm
We can thank you, respect you. Love you. Maybe bake you a cake.
We can allow you to live, and keep all your fingers and toes.
We can work more with you so that everyone can succede.
We can say nice things about you.
But seriously.
There is no Cake or eating it. Simply a will to live and breath without being assaulted. With out unnaturally occuring and injected hurdles or gauntlets and dangers. There is nothing to compensate, just like there is nothing to compensate them for not bringing flame throwers and loud rap music into the offices…blaring the loud music and lighting heating it up a little. I mean, what if they just bought the flame thrower and never get a chance to use it in the office.
47 Kevin // Feb 8, 2010 at 12:56 am
Am I just now realizing that there is a sickness in this world that is reaching epic proportions… that is misguided feelings of entitlement. On many levels. From people who work in offices, to those who hold office.
48 kim // Feb 9, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Mizuha, this is not a “weakest link” subject. Not sure why you would think this. It’s a matter of being able to function in the office I work in when the person who sits five feet from me is wearing a perfume that I’m allergic to. It is what it is. A problem. Nothing more, nothing less, and I am NOT a weak link. It is out of my control that I have allergies. I did not ask for them, nor do I want them. The fact is, she agreed to change perfumes to something less offensive and I agreed that no one should be asked to go “sent free”. She changed perfumes to one that didn’t bother me. It lasted about 3 months. I could breath and didn’t go home at night with a migraine or have an asthma attack. Then something I did made her mad and the following day, to get back at me, she wore the perfume because that is the only thing she knows can physically harm me. Is that right that she does this? NO. I’ve done nothing to her. Why do people think it is o.k. to come into an office bathed in perfume when it makes others sick?
If I were to come into work and put a plugin up somewhere in the office, she would be all over me with her lawyer in a heartbeat because she has issues too.
She’s obviously a miserable person or she wouldn’t be doing what she’s doing.
Most corporations have a clause in their employee hand books that state a “no tolerance level” for anyone creating a hostile work environment. Which she’s doing.
49 Tianna // Mar 6, 2010 at 12:02 am
I’m thinking maybe we should get a name or something to see how that case panned out and if any of ‘the other commentors’ claims actually happened or not…
Personally, I think she’s faking, but I can’t really know without knowing more about the case in the first place.
50 Mary // Mar 6, 2010 at 10:50 am
Tianna, yes, some people fake it so they think they won’t have to work another day in their lives, but I can tell you that these allergies are real in most cases. Since I last wrote to this site, I have been to our HR dept. with THREE notes from doctors saying I can’t be around these scents. It’s overwhelming, to say the least. Mondays I usually feel great, but by mid-week, I’m just a basket case because I can’t breathe.
The crap is going to hit the fan next week when I finally get my chance to meet with the people who are making me sick. They already know, but now we’ll be going into a meeting with HR to finally bring this to an end.
One woman who was new to our area (not in our dept, but her office was close enough to mine to cause severe symptoms), was asked to tone down her candle warmer, if possible. She shrugged it off as if it was no big deal. I reported her for using an electric candle warmer. She was told it was not allowed in the company, but refused to unplug it. I followed up with HR and security, and they told her she had to unplug it. She finally did, but this ain’t over yet.
I try to be understanding when asking people to tone down their fragrances, and they all get defensive about it. Why?? It’s not a personal thing. It’s just that I can not breathe when around them.
51 Mary // Mar 6, 2010 at 10:55 am
I really would like to add an analogy to the above.
What if anyone of you who are NOT allergic to this stuff, were having a party. And what would happen if I came to your party and sat at your kitchen table and smoked a pack of cigarettes without asking you if it was okay, or even if it would bother you? You wouldn’t like it, I’m sure, and would ask me to either leave the party, or smoke somewhere else. THAT’S what I’m going through right now. These new people never bothered to ask if it was against company policy or to ask anyone if they would be bothered by it.
People just need to be a little more understanding to those of us with severe allergies. Not using these things at work won’t kill anyone, but using them WILL kill me. I think that’s the best way to describe it. Just think about others once in awhile, that’s all I’m asking.
52 joe // Mar 6, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Maybe if all the people who are hurt physically and mentally by these unnecessary fragrances were to react with equal physical force and beat the crap out of these people… especially impairing their ability to work or go home and relax… people would take them more seriously. Some times I want to beat the shit out of several people at work.
53 Kevin // Mar 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Violence is never the answer, but I know what you mean. Sometimes the pain is sharp and severe. Especially when my sinuses are raw. Harsh enough to cause my body to jerk and let out a groan in pain. I have plenty of bloody tissues to show for it. I have also noticed that our Project manager has said something about it, but when he goes on a trip, and especially on fridays, people pour it on. I really don’t see what the problem is. Even if it didn’t cause pain and suffering… If I don’t like it and it bothers me and others feel the same way, it should not be allowed in the work environment… or at least around me in the work environment. put some on your finger and put it up your nose so you and only you can smell it. Then go F___ yourself.
54 kevin // Mar 6, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Sorry about that last one, but I have been using eye drops like crazy this week and it only helps stop the burning so much when it is bad at work. Then there is also confusion, inability to focus, and occasional uncontrolable yawning and gasping for air. So, I think I have a right to be peeved. BTW, much of it is caused by scented lotions as well as the many others that wear too much perfume 25 feet from my desk. 5 to 10 people at a time. The woman in front of me smokes and puts on this lotion that is bothersome. By herself it is bearable if she does not go overboard, but combine it with the others and forget it. The other day she came in from smoking… the hooks for jackets are behind me, and she sits in a cubicle in front of me. I had her ciggarett stench and perfume from in front and behind. A draft wafts over her jacket and into my face. Pretty much sucks. Our office is moving in a few weeks. I can only hope it will be better in the new office. I am not religous, but pray for me.
55 Mary // Mar 6, 2010 at 2:00 pm
I’ll pray for you, Kevin. It just shouldn’t be allowed. The woman with the candle warmer came from another work site, and is now on my floor. Even though she’s 100 yards from me, I still smell it, and yes, I, too, have bloody tissues to show for it.
Well the shit IS going to hit the fan this week, so I can’t wait to see the results, if any.
56 Ashley // Mar 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm
I can see some more ridiculous lawsuits brewing! For the ones who bitch and moan about their allergies-Here is a some tips for you: There are these people called DOCTORS, okay, perhaps you have heard of them? Go to a doctor and explain you situation, and in return he/she will give you..*wait for it*…MEDICATIONS! There are so, so many different kinds of them now! Wow, amazing, huh? Whodathunkit? And before one of you get their ‘panties in a wad’, I have allergies to alot of perfumes, cleaners, etc, but I take my medications and deal with it! Why should the few who have allergies possibly take away the freedoms of many? People like you are so quick to label someone ’selfish’ because they will not cease using their ‘offensive’ fragrances, but I have to ask, what is your definition of ’selfish’? Seriously, because from what I’m seeing, you guys are just as guilty of selfishness as the one’s you are accusing, because you want things done YOUR way. Selfish? Absolutely.
I also get tired of you people, you morons, that say “I’ve been out of work for ‘x’ number of days because of this, and it messes with my head..blah, blah…” No, not going to work because scents have made you ‘ill’=being lazy and making up excuses. Complaining that it causes confusion, and ‘impaired cognition’?? That is completely absurd! Unless your snorting the shit, then maybe I could believe it. Take your meds and stop expecting people to feel sorry for you. Just by agreeing to this lawsuit already shows me that your mind is incompetent, so why do you blame it on the ’scents’? Am I saying that having allergies are the victims fault? Of course not, I have them, lots of people have them..no one asks for these things to happen to them, but alas, it’s called LIFE, shit happens, it shouldn’t mean that these idiots should cry about it and make life miserable for everyone else. There are a ton of people who have worse medical problems than ‘allergies’, and they still operate like normal people, unless they are absolutely unable to do so. I know this is wishful thinking, nothing can ever be so simple. So, make yourself feel better and sue, go ahead. If this keeps up, any type of scents will no longer be allowed in work places, then who do you think are going to be the first ones to bitch and moan when the bathroom starts to smell horrible? Or the break area?
What about co-workers who have poor personal hygiene habits? I would rather smell someone who bathes everyday and is a little heavy on the perfume or cologne, than someone who doesn’t, regardless of allergies. It just saddens me what this country has become, it’s a haven for mostly self-serving, hypocritical, attention-seeking “high-schoolers” who are masqueraded as adults. Allergies and other medical problems have been around since the dawn of time. Did people centuries ago have the medications and technology that we have now for their ailments? Of course not. They had to deal with the problems they had with little or no treatment. Sure, alot of them died because the doctors then didn’t have the proper treatments or didn’t know how to treat it, but they were not suing each other in record numbers because of their problems.
I know this is a very extensive and a brutally harsh comment, but these days, it’s hard to be anything but. I’m sure soon, these ’scents’ in the workplace are going to get booted out the door. So, my final question is this: What’s going to be next? I’m scared to think about what it could be. It really doesn’t matter what ‘freedoms’ and ‘luxuries’ will no longer be allowed or taken away. There will always be something that is going to piss off and offend the overly-sensitive and dramatic group in this country. The next ‘big’ thing will get booted, then the next, and so on and so on, until the simple pleasures in life will be paid at the highest costs. As I stated before, who do you think will be the first ones to bitch when and if that ever happens? The ones who caused all of it. So, with all this being said, to the ones who are whiners-pull your head out of your ass, grow the fuck up, and get over yourself, and stop trying to make everyone miserable like yourselves, and if you can’t manage to do that, then maybe you need reconsider the purpose of your life, because it’s a complete waste.
57 Mary // Mar 26, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Oh dear….here we go. Hello, Ashley! I’ve been to more doctors and been through so many xrays and MRIs, that I can’t even count anymore. The one bitch who’s wearing the perfume in my dept. (THE KEYWORD HERE BEING “ONE BITCH”) was told to stop wearing it, and still refuses. She’s defiant, vindictive, and she’s just ONE person doing this. It’s not like I’m asking that the rest of the world stop wearing this stuff. Good Lord, you are so fucking selfish for even making your posting. Most of your diatribe I can’t even get through reading. All I hear is blah, blah, blah, blah. YOU are selfish, do you understand?? HR told this bitch to stop wearing it and she refuses. NOW what do you have to say, bitch? Yes, I’m calling you a bitch because, frankly, someone like you who doesn’t have to work next to this 7 hours a day, simply is being inconsiderate. This is exactly why lawsuits happen. Try having a little empathy instead of mouthing off, will ya?
58 Kevin // Mar 29, 2010 at 12:51 am
Boy Ashely, clearly un-enlightened and although you think you do, you don’t know what you are talking about. And by the way, you are the one whining now. These people are not talking about allergies. They have been to doctors and many have no clue what to do about this, but it is real and it is debilitating. For example, In some countries people do not use water to bath. They smell like hell. Lets see you work in a cubicle next to one and not complain. And that is just because of a foul smell. These people don’t complain about things like that. (most people do.) they reserve the complaining for things that prevent them from functioning on the job like fragrances that cause them to experience lung PAIN, an inability to breath, often leading to panic and anxiety. Also, the chemicals in the fragrance can cause them to go into a state of confusion, or even fight or flight mode. This is not Asthema… that would be too easy. They would also take your smelly friend over the fragrance or chemicals any day.
59 Mary // Apr 3, 2010 at 9:58 am
Bravo, Kevin! Bravo! I guess there’s just no convincing some people how debilitating this really is.
60 Anna // May 3, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Okay. As a person without allergies, scent-sensitivity, or any known health problems (that’s right, one of the FIT), I just want to know WHY it is so hard to be considerate of other people. No one has said “don’t wear deodorant and stink like a pig” or even “don’t wear perfume at all because I am more important”. All anyone has asked for is some consideration!
Here’s a tip: It is recommended that you wear perfume on your pulse points. It only requires one spray to wear it properly (spray your wrist, rub them together, then rub your neck), and it would probably be a lot easier on sensitive people than using it like a body spray.
Also, using it an hour before you leave gives some harsher chemichals (such as alcohol) the time to “calm” a bit.
Also, keep in mind that just because you’ve gotten used to the smell, doesn’t mean it’s gone. Reapplication at work is unnecessary.
And of course, as one person pointed out, perfumes and scents should not be used as a replacement for proper hygeine.
I’ll never understand why people can’t just practice some consideration. I mean, we all have to live and work together, and coexist in peace. Why make it harder for ourselves?
61 Kevin // May 3, 2010 at 8:50 pm
In case anyone care, I have been seeing a chiropractor… and they claim my back was, well, off the charts in some areas. I have been seeing her for about two months now… and my sensitivities have gone down slightly. Go figure. I still hurt, but the reaction is not so knee jerk now. Of course it could be that my boss is back at work now, so people are laying off the stuff so much.
62 Freysson // May 13, 2010 at 4:09 pm
As a health care provider I have seen people who have major cognative impairments from many things, including the type of deturgent used on their clothes. Yes thig stuff will make a number of people major league sick. Not uncomfortable, but life threteningly ill.
As for the freeedon to overdo that is being discussed here, lets realize that there is no right to wear perfume. It does not exist. And to put this is a slightly different context “you can drink what you want in your water but you don’t have the right to poison the well”. The atmosphere is a COMMON resource that we all depend on. Noone has the right to make it toxic to another. While normal levels may be tolerated well by most people, there are some for whom it will be poisonous. Generally consideration will stop most abuses, but the law and lawsuits are there when it does not.
63 ogelsviebr // Jun 28, 2010 at 1:55 pm
intensity 103 upper
64 Mary // Jun 28, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Thank you freysson! You said exactly what I’ve been trying to say for years! I finally had to retire from my job that I’ve had for 26 years because of the new employee who just would not stop wearing that crappy perfume, even after HR told her to stop!
One day it’s going to be mandatory that employees not wear perfume in the workplace, and I can’t wait until that day comes.
65 Mizuha // Jun 28, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Might as well make perfume illegal period since no matter where you wear it, some assholes are going to complain about it. There’s going to come a time when said assholes go into someone’s house and then try to sue the owners for wearing perfume in their own home!
66 Mary // Jun 29, 2010 at 6:23 am
Mizuha, I make a choice about where to go. If a host of a party is known for wearing perfume, I choose not to go to the party. BUT, if I am mandated to go to work, I expect the air that I breathe is not life threatening. You’re being the asshole here because you’re not willing to compromise. Wear your damn perfume someplace other than the workplace, and I promise not to go near you. Deal?
67 Brian F // Jul 14, 2010 at 12:42 am
You all are morons as is the woman who filed the lawsuit. I found this case in the denver court system.
Allergies are very real – however you need to let the employer know that you suffer from this and let them take steps. This employee did not do that and relied on passive aggressive comments to the co-worker without ever specifying that she suffered from an allergy.
This b$tch needs to grow up and learn speak to her employer before filing a lawsuit. This could have been resolved amicably and to the satisfaction of all (unless the woman wanted money) if she had just spoke up
68 Mizuha // Jul 15, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Brian F
I totally agree
69 Mary // Jul 15, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Believe me, I let my employer know. HR received 3 doctors’ notes, called the employee in and spoke with her, as did my boss, but she refused to stop wearing it. I’ve done everything I could possibly do, and still got nowhere. My next action was to sue, but I decided to retire instead.
70 Susan // Oct 4, 2010 at 6:52 pm
I am extremely sensitive to perfumes and stuff like that too, i don’t think it is really a legitimate disability claim, but it does make me break out in hives, it gives me headaches, and it makes my throat swell up.
71 Susan // Oct 4, 2010 at 6:58 pm
plus: perfume is disgusting and unnatural. if you want to smell good mix some sort of essential oil with water and spray it on! Now you smell good and as long as it is a natural oil (mint, lilac, lavender, etc.) you won’t have to deal with all the supposed bitching.
72 Kevin // Oct 5, 2010 at 12:36 am
Have not been to the chiropractor in a while now, insurance will no longer pay. My sensitivities are increasing. Some people at work know about my issues with cologne and they think it is funny. They will walk by my desk slowly and even stop for a second or stand behind me then move on. Some even will say, is everything OK? you don’t look so good. I complained to my boss, now he says that if I don’t stop it will be considered harrassmant against my supervisor. He actually told me a while ago that he had a few people check out my claim by going to my desk to check it out, but the people he had go were some of the people who were making me sick in the first place. Now I try not to give them satisfaction, but it is affecting my health all around. Sometimes I get home and crash, when I should be working out, but my lungs are too tired.
73 Kevin // Oct 5, 2010 at 12:37 am
The people walking by are wearing perfume and know it is making me sick.
74 Mary // Oct 5, 2010 at 7:24 am
Kevin, good luck to you. I had to finally retire because I was getting nowhere. IF I chose to stay at my company (been there almost 27 years), I would have sued. The woman wearing that perfume (who STILL does, even after I left), is a bitch through and through. Seriously. She is new to the dept. and is running into the boss’ office every few days with a complaint about another employee. I finally realized that she is there just to harrass the employees who have been there for years and years. What is her problem? If it doesn’t suit her needs at the moment, she does everything in her power to make life miserable for the rest of us. One day she’ll meet her match and realize what she’s doing. Until then, she is only making herself look bad, but too stupid to notice.
75 Kanna-Chan // Oct 31, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Kevin, I highly doubt your co-workers are going out of their way to make you miserable. Are you sure some of them aren’t simply unaware of your problem? Have every one of your tormentors been told of your problem?
76 Kevin // Nov 1, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Some know it and walk by my desk and linger. Only a few… then snicker once they think I cannot hear… but that is only a few. A ways back I was slapped on the wrists when several people did not sent read receipts – so I handed them the material. I was told not to single them out, but to address everyone in the group. Recently it has gotten real bad as nightshift comes in. It smells like a whorehouse at times and sometimes I have to leave the building to clear out my lungs. One day I almost passed out. I asked MGT to ask everyone to back off on the perfume. Bossman got pissed and said I would have to single the offenders out and give names. It is hard to tell who is wearing what. Especially when my face is in my work and the smell does not always hit me until they are around the corner. I don’t see why they just dont make a calm statement one day to just back off, this is not a night club, and be reasonable.
77 Ivan Bessone // Feb 1, 2011 at 11:53 am
I am constantly invstigating online for tips that can help me. Thx!
78 Kevin // Feb 5, 2011 at 10:58 am
You know, all I ever wanted was for management to give an overal request that people moderate what they wear. To go easy on the fragrance so people with sinusitus, allergy, and lung issues can work comfortably. But instead they want me to single out people with names. Then they get pissed when I do. Usually the person they would send to check wears perfume… in slight excess so they say “I can’t smell it.” Again the eyes and punishment fall on me… It gets blown out of proportion and I become not only the victim of “fragrance poisoning” but also office harrassment. When this started, all I wantedwas for management to make a GENERAL ACROSS THE BOARD REQUEST TO EVERYONE! to ask for EVERYONE to be considerate and go easy. Not a big deal. Not an unreasonable request. In trying to follow their instructions on “procedure” I have been singled out. Now I have no chance of a career doing what I know in that office. Maybe it is because our office manager likes to put on 5 sprays a day! (He used to say only three, now he is up to five or so he told me.) I have heard complaints from several other people in the office about the uncomfortable lingering effects when many of our coworkers bathe in perfume… but they will not complain to management. If they did, this would not be a problem as management would have to act. This is an every day thing and when 10 or more people pour on the cologne, perfume, and yes fragrance lotion (some of which is the hardest on the lungs and forces me to leave the room at times.) the environment becomes unbearable. Eyedrops only help so much before your eyes get dialated and folding a tissue to use as a mask is embarrasing. Bla bla, bitch bitch, nag nag. Story is getting old. When are the lawyers going to start cashing in on this. Then maybe something will be done about it.
79 Kevin // Feb 5, 2011 at 11:02 am
Should have read my previous comment. Sorry for the redundancy. It’s all a broken record and usless. Doomed to suffer.
80 Mary // Feb 5, 2011 at 11:30 am
If people go to a lawyer about this, it’s only a matter of time before it become an epidemic. I wish that they would make it a policy in any office to eliminate all fragrances, and that includes perfumes, colognes, scented body lotions and even scented candles. That was another complaint of mine at the office. Someone had one of those plug-in candles that stunk up the whole floor, and they finally told the woman to unplug it, mainly because it was a fire hazard, not because they were on my side. It will take just one gutsy person to sue, and before you know it, people will catch on. Look how long it took to make place smoke-free. It’s only a matter of time and education.
81 John // Feb 27, 2011 at 1:47 pm
The question is, where does it end? You allow one hypersensitive person to dictate to the majority in this manner, and soon it will be dcommon practice to ban others from wearing a certain deoderant that someone else doesn’t like (claims to be allergic to, same thing), or using a specific detergent or bleach as it remains in their clothing and causes ‘allergies’ in someone else nearby, or possessing peanuts within 100 yards of another person on the possibility that that other person might be allergic to peanuts.
The bizarre concept of minority rights overriding the normal, legal lives of the majority is a farce.
82 Kevin // Feb 28, 2011 at 7:12 am
Peanuts have to be ingested or possibly come into contact with the skin. This is a matter of people introducing something into the atmosphere that is not naturally there and polluting the environment and imposing on others within a 25-50′ radius around them or more. Not just a faint smell, but something strong enough to send plenty of other’s into respitory distress… or even those with sinus issues into sharp pains, or eyes to burn where they cannot see properly. etc.
83 Dylan // Jun 21, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Air is a shared resource, and should be treated as such. Cars, yes, cause pollution, but there are many people who choose to have hydro cars, or electric cars. Btw, Kevin, ” like being raped”? My friend DIED from a perfume that his teacher used. He was 11. 6th grade, and could have been an Albert Einstien. Great artist, boyscout, and person. The teacher knew he had the allergy, and still bathed in the crap. It made her smell like she just rolled in a Cow pasture. She went to jail for assault, endangerment, murder 1, and disregard of life. Went to a federal facility for 3 consecutive life terms. So, yes, this problem is real. For all you asses who think these guys are selfish, are the ones who become the fortune cookie people.
(these guys are STUPID, they put “under the comfort of a worm blanket is bed” exactly including the misspelling of warm.)
84 Kevin // Jun 22, 2011 at 11:38 am
I have exhausted a search for the case you mention above. I find search engines completely ineffective. Is there any way you could provide more information about this murder case so I can get some documentation. What we realy should be doing is sueing the companies that put the bad chemicals in these fragrances. I Personally am not going to feel bad for these people’s children’s sterility or heath issues later in life. Most people are offended but say nothing because it does not hurt or put them in danger. If enough of us got together and created a list of the offending items, we might be able to do something about it. However… I am %99 positive that these companies spend 10’s of millions of dollars to cover up any bad publicity or test trial issues.
85 Kevin // Jun 22, 2011 at 11:58 am
I retract what I said about their kid’s… I do feel sorry for them, as they are going to have health issues. I don’t have pitty for the feelings of the parents who do this to them.
86 Mary // Jun 22, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Here’s one website that may get the ball rolling. I would love to sue the person who wears that perfume, but I decided to retire from there years before I am supposed to. You people who wear this crap should be sued if it bothers everyone. How dare you think perfume doesn’t create problems. It does….more than you know!
http://www.getawhiffofthis.com/About_the_Author.html
87 Dylan // Jun 23, 2011 at 12:05 am
Kevin
The parents of the above victim wished to have privacy, and so asked that the case be quieted, and not be voiced around with information other than the reason and result of the trial. Therefore, you probably will not find any info on the internet. Sorry.
Mary
Yes, agreed, however, many cases such as one like your own may be discredited as frivoulus and you may be counter sued. This is highly unfair. Did you know you can sue a judge for bodily harm because of this discreditation.
Something completely off topic:
America is supposedly a religiously unbiased country. However, a common phrase among Americans is from the cristian bible story, “the good Samaritan”
Told by jesus when asked how to decide who the true niebor was in order to treat them as directed by Moses.
88 Dylan // Jun 23, 2011 at 12:09 am
Mary
Detroit case= HOLY SHIT!!!!
IM MOVIN TO DETROIT!!!
89 Kevin // Jun 23, 2011 at 12:52 am
All trials need to be on file. I don’t need to know the who, just he what. It sounds far fetched, unless she did something more drastic than just wearing it and wreaking. I mean, this case could be used as a precedent… no?
90 To All // Jun 23, 2011 at 8:08 am
I would like to start off by saying that I am not a person with perfume allergies, or any other health issues (yeah thats right Mizuha I’m one of the strong) but I dont beleive that gives me any more right to happiness and good health than someone with health issues. Some people do have health issues they brought apon themselves (such as smokers) but most people developed these health problems naturally. They did nothing to bring on these issues and somethimes they can’t find treatment for them. It isn’t right to say that someone is week and has less of a right to be alive just because they have a health consern that they have no control over. Thinking like that is what causes holocausts. Do you really want to be one of the people who believe they are better just because you are healthy. In stead of saying the week should die you should be counting your blessings you turned out healthy and dont have any issues. You shouldn’t judge the people who do because like I said, they cant help that they have these problems.
Now as I said I dont have any health issues (acctully I have a terrible since of smell) but I have been around people who were wearing so much perfume that I felt real physical pain in my nose and chest. If I am unconfortable around these people I can only imagine the effects it would have on someone who is hyper-sensitive to sents. And it is very possible to find it hard to think from harsh smells. If you have ever been near a car exaust long enough you would know that the fumes can in fact make it hard to function properly. The fumes from cars is similar to the fumes of some perfumes so I understand how this could effect people.
Perfume was not meant to disguise body oder. It was meant to add a LITTLE sent to draw people in. If you maintain proper hygeine you shouldnt have to cover bodily oders. Perfume is meant to be put on in moderation. Its purpose is to be just strong enough that someone very close to you smells it just a little and wants to lean in to get a better smell. This is why many people use it on dates. Its meant to lure the opposite sex closer not get someones attention from 10ft. away.
Now I don’t know if the womans case was fake or not but I do know there are many lagitamate cases like this. People really can become severly ill from the effects of perfume fumes.
If someone suffers with it in silence and then decides to sue, thats one thing. But if someone has taken the proper, reasonable steps (asked the person to use less, talked to a boss, etc.) then I see no reason if left with no other choicet that taking legal action is wrong.
People just need to learn to have consideration for one another. We do have to realize that we cant all be happy all of the time but we can sometimes meet a happy medium. In the above case I would say that the person still be allowed to use the perfume but use it in moderation so as not the have severe health effects on those around them. No one is asking for wearing scents to be cut out completly, but I see nothing wrong with asking people to wear it in reasonable amounts. By allowing both parties involved concerns and complaints to be concidered we can come to an aggrement that can normally satisfy both parties. By being considerate of both yours and the others around youse needs we can come to a point where neither group can be deamed “selfish”. And there is a difference between music and perfume. The music may be annoying but it wont cause heatlh concerns unless it is being blared to the point of eardrum damage. The fumes of the perfume however could cause severe health issues for others.
If you are in a place where you could get away from the person or persons whos habits can be damaging to your health(mall, store, restaurant), and you choose not to, than you are allowing yourself to suffer and have no right to blame the other person. On the contrary though if you are in a place where you must be near these persons (work) than both parties should take the others needs into consideration so both may be happy. If we would all just learn we have to communicate with others and think of their needs as well as our own, we would all be living in a better world. The fact is we all can be selfish or “bitchy” at times but that doesn’t mean we can’t work on trying not to be. We all have the ability to change our attitudes towards others. Its our choice. Like my grandma always said life is 10% what happens to you and 90% percent how you react. We have to learn how to react properly to issues.
I really do not agree with the statement that one life is worth more than another. We are all God’s children and in his eyes we are all equal.
I would also like to state something else on the theory of natural selection. Hitler did not only kill the Jews but also any one cripled or handicaped. If you believe that disabilites make one persons life less than another (and yes allergies are a desability) than you are thinking like Hitler. Is that really what you want? Food for thought…
Neither party holds the corner market on being right on this issue. All cases are different and must be treated as such but what it really all comes down to is respecting each other. Just give a little consideration of others. Thats all it takes. By doing that one little thing we can stop this hatred for one another. We just have to learn how to find that happy medium…
Please excuse any misspelled words or typos. Im 15 and spelling isn’t my best subject. I really do hope that you can take my words into consideration. I guess because of my age I don’t have alot of right to be involved in this discussion but what I read disturbed me and I felt something needed to be said. I just ask one thing. Can we please all try to get along?
91 Mary // Jun 23, 2011 at 4:20 pm
To all: Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I took all the proper measures at work, and this person still refused to stop wearing it. Some people are just selfish. This was a person who was brand new to my department (me being there for almost 26 years), and her maybe 2 days when I complained to her. When she refused, I took it to my boss who told her to stop wearing it. After the meeting with my boss, she immediately came out of the office and sat next to me for spite. When she did that, I went to personnel. She still refused to stop wearing it. Some people just don’t care and think their feelings are the only ones that matter. These are the people who piss me off the most…without even trying. Yes, I am one of those unhealthy ones through no fault of my own. I am almost 57 now, and decided I’ve had enough of this bitch. But thanks for putting it in terms that selfish people can understand. I did all I could do.
92 Mary // Jun 23, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Dylan, LOL I wouldn’t move to Detroit for all the clean air in the world (perfume, that is). LOL
93 Kevin // Jun 23, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Just for the record… for anyone who tries to mask BO with perfume, it doesn’t work. You can still smell the BO, it only goes further and sometimes into our mouths and we can actually taste it. Seriously. very gross.
94 TANK // Jul 3, 2011 at 9:07 am
LIKE THEY SAY….DONT GO TO MEXICO IF YOU HAVE A ALERGY PROBLEM TO TEQUELIA..HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
95 Kevin // Jul 3, 2011 at 1:30 pm
No Worries there!
96 Mary // Jul 9, 2011 at 9:50 am
Me, neither.
97 Martha // Jan 2, 2012 at 9:32 am
You can laugh, but as an asthmatic I can tell you that this is serious. Granted, I wouldn’t sue my employer unless he/she didn’t do something about asking them to refrain from using said perfume and/or penalized me for taking sick days because of it, but people dye every day from asthma and allergy related issues. Unless you are in a situation like that, I feel you have no right to make jokes about it.
98 Mary // Jan 4, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Thank you, Martha.
99 Kevin // Jan 4, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Nobody really cares, except those that are sensitive, or loves someone who is sensitive to this stuff. It is sad that some people don’t even know they are sensitive and spend every day feeling ill while bathing in the stuff making others sick too. No, nothing will change much until many more get sick and people are educated… or enough congressmen get ill and pass a law quickly and illegally to stop the insanity. I do have a conspiracy theorist friend who insists this situation has been allowed to happen because it weakens peoples constitution and resolve, making them less likely to be outgoing and challenge authority and be more easily subdued. lol
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